Cave of Wonders - Page 3

RogerKnightly · 10-19-2009, 01:26 PM

Dodge looks great. the glasses sort of put me in mind of Morpheus from the matrix.

One thing that sicks out to me is her belly/crotch area looks a little convave. the zip of her flies could also take some definition.

I seriously love that print!!! I've got to give this a go(might get morgan printed).

Teyon · 10-19-2009, 06:43 PM

Thanks! Go for it! Morgan is dying to be a print.

Yeah, I'm going to retopo the sculpt so that it's lighter and will take detail better in key areas. I've also made the jacket open as per every drawing I've ever done of her (don't know why I closed it in the first place). I'll be sure to work out the belly area during the retopo.

So yeah, do the print! Here's a few good places out there that will do it and will even paint it for you:

http://offloadstudios.com

http://www.ownage.com

http://www.protodemon.com

Teyon · 10-29-2009, 10:03 AM

Some quickies. Base Meshes made in Silo.

Base Mesh

Sculpt

Base Mesh

Sculpt

RogerKnightly · 10-29-2009, 10:09 AM

Last one reminds me of the locusts from GOW. The more detailed one is awesome. could do with some eyeballs in dem sockets though

Teyon · 10-29-2009, 11:02 AM

Thanks! It was inspired by both Hellboy2 and Gears (so was mr. bulky head). I'll have to go back and add some eyes to the pointy headed alien dude. lol. Working on something more realistic at work so expect lots of quickie fantasy sculptures to come,as realism has me a bit irked.

Sarford · 10-29-2009, 12:52 PM

Yeah, the pointy-head-alien looks realy good!

Teyon · 10-30-2009, 10:00 PM

Thanks! Here's a before and after on a new guy.

RogerKnightly · 11-01-2009, 01:42 PM

Damn cool sculpt, I dont mean to be picky but his head lacks the intimidating look of the rest of the character

Teyon · 11-02-2009, 12:25 PM

GREAT CALL! Actually, that is something that bothered me about the whole thing. I made the parts almost separately and then forced 'em together.

I made the initial torso and was going to go all biped on him. Then I decided to go non-biped because I always do bipeds and applied the previous sculpt as disp map on the new bug-guy mesh. So in a way, two different mentalities were involved in the sculpt. That initial, almost friendly alien and then the creepy bug. A bit jarring. I should really go in there and toughen up his face so the upper part matches.

I'd never thought to use a displacement map to recover detail on a mesh before. It worked out well. I'll have to remember that.

RogerKnightly · 11-02-2009, 08:16 PM

give him an evil beard that'll sort him out

Teyon · 11-04-2009, 10:33 PM

I would but then he'll drink all my booze.

jned · 11-05-2009, 07:29 AM

Beautiful work Teyon. I saw Dasch's Q about the bats on the base. What sort of polygon count are you working with? I tried to get a similar effect in SIlo using an image loaded into a brush, but it's clear that my model needs much more resolution (sub-d levels) in order to get the definition anything close to what you've got, and Silo kept crashing on me.

Specifically I'd like to be able to use the technique to add type/text elements to models, like what you did with the BANE logotype. Is something like that just in the realm of Z-brush?

And... I think you mentioned the texture you've used for the model - can you remind me what that is and what rendering package you used?

Thanks...

Teyon · 11-06-2009, 09:11 PM

Thanks! Well, while I made the base mesh in Silo for both the figure and the stand, I did the detailing in ZBrush. Silo can do it too but as you've learned, it will require some planning and a large amount of polys. Truth told, the best way would have been to create separate solid objects for the text that deformed around the base. That would have allowed the most detail at lower resolutions but Silo doesn't really have deformers (someone found a way around this if I recall) so it becomes challenging. Anyway, on to your question:

The stand was 176 polys. I took it into ZBrush and subdivided 7 times to about 720,896 polys to get the bats and logo to show up neatly along with the cable thing running around it. Again, not the best way to handle the situation but it worked.

The original sculpt for Bane was created in Silo and ZBrush using the Baseman with Shoes (roughly 926 polys) mesh that comes with it. It was later retopologized in Silo using (not counting his accessories) 2,684 polys, since all I wanted was the upper torso. He was subdivided 5 times in ZBrush to about 687,104 polys. Yes, the base was higher res and that alone should tell you it's not the best way to do it.

The model was rendered in ZBrush using the Antique Bronze material on a model that was filled with a bluish-purple color. The light setup varied but usually it was just one light.

So while on a sturdier system, with careful planning (grouping areas for example), I could have gotten Silo to make the base in a similar fashion to how I did it in ZBrush, it's not the best way. The best way - and I'll be doing this in the future - is warping polygonal text around the base. It makes capturing the detail easier for printing and means you don't need to use as many polys - plus you spend more time in Silo!

Hope that answered your questions.

bobtronic · 11-06-2009, 10:44 PM

man, you keep yourself busy

nice sculpts!

cheers,
Matthias

jned · 11-08-2009, 06:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teyon

Hope that answered your questions.

And then some! Thanks so much for that. The more I learn, the more I don't know

Teyon · 11-10-2009, 12:31 AM

Glad to be of help. Here's something new. Not different but new.

Really rushed and slightly messy base created in Silo:

Sculpted in ZBrush.

Total time about 6 hours. Two hours in Silo for base mesh creation and 4 hours sculpting in ZB. Have I mentioned how much I love the Silo-ZBrush combo. Fingers crossed for a GoZ plug-in.

jned · 11-11-2009, 09:39 PM

I checked out the vid and your DeviantArt page. I think it's great that you and other talented artists take the time to post images and vids - they are wonderful resources. Not to mention answering all the questions. And thanks for noting the time it took you to create the latest model. I always wonder about that...

brook · 12-06-2009, 02:45 AM

lookin good teyon.

Teyon · 12-25-2009, 12:27 AM

Thanks! Happy Holidays gang.

Sarford · 12-25-2009, 10:47 AM

Wow, Teyon, you are realy beginning to get a grip on monster designing, I love it!
Keep em comming...

10-19-2009, 01:26 PM	#41
RogerKnightly scallywag Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cork, Ireland Posts: 2,171	Dodge looks great. the glasses sort of put me in mind of Morpheus from the matrix. One thing that sicks out to me is her belly/crotch area looks a little convave. the zip of her flies could also take some definition. I seriously love that print!!! I've got to give this a go(might get morgan printed). __________________ Xeon Quad 2.5ghz 3GB Ram Quadro FX 570 XP Pro Wacom Intuos coffee.. lots of coffee

10-19-2009, 06:43 PM	#42
Teyon Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New York, New York Posts: 1,591	Thanks! Go for it! Morgan is dying to be a print. Yeah, I'm going to retopo the sculpt so that it's lighter and will take detail better in key areas. I've also made the jacket open as per every drawing I've ever done of her (don't know why I closed it in the first place). I'll be sure to work out the belly area during the retopo. So yeah, do the print! Here's a few good places out there that will do it and will even paint it for you: http://offloadstudios.com http://www.ownage.com http://www.protodemon.com __________________ Check out my 2D and 3D work at: http://teyon.cgsociety.org/gallery/ Last edited by Teyon; 10-19-2009 at 06:46 PM.

10-29-2009, 10:03 AM	#43
Teyon Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New York, New York Posts: 1,591	Some quickies. Base Meshes made in Silo. Base Mesh Sculpt Base Mesh Sculpt __________________ Check out my 2D and 3D work at: http://teyon.cgsociety.org/gallery/

10-29-2009, 10:09 AM	#44
RogerKnightly scallywag Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cork, Ireland Posts: 2,171	Last one reminds me of the locusts from GOW. The more detailed one is awesome. could do with some eyeballs in dem sockets though __________________ Xeon Quad 2.5ghz 3GB Ram Quadro FX 570 XP Pro Wacom Intuos coffee.. lots of coffee

10-29-2009, 11:02 AM	#45
Teyon Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New York, New York Posts: 1,591	Thanks! It was inspired by both Hellboy2 and Gears (so was mr. bulky head). I'll have to go back and add some eyes to the pointy headed alien dude. lol. Working on something more realistic at work so expect lots of quickie fantasy sculptures to come,as realism has me a bit irked. __________________ Check out my 2D and 3D work at: http://teyon.cgsociety.org/gallery/

10-29-2009, 12:52 PM	#46
Sarford Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 172	Yeah, the pointy-head-alien looks realy good!

10-30-2009, 10:00 PM	#47
Teyon Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New York, New York Posts: 1,591	Thanks! Here's a before and after on a new guy. __________________ Check out my 2D and 3D work at: http://teyon.cgsociety.org/gallery/

11-01-2009, 01:42 PM	#48
RogerKnightly scallywag Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cork, Ireland Posts: 2,171	Damn cool sculpt, I dont mean to be picky but his head lacks the intimidating look of the rest of the character __________________ Xeon Quad 2.5ghz 3GB Ram Quadro FX 570 XP Pro Wacom Intuos coffee.. lots of coffee

11-02-2009, 12:25 PM	#49
Teyon Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New York, New York Posts: 1,591	GREAT CALL! Actually, that is something that bothered me about the whole thing. I made the parts almost separately and then forced 'em together. I made the initial torso and was going to go all biped on him. Then I decided to go non-biped because I always do bipeds and applied the previous sculpt as disp map on the new bug-guy mesh. So in a way, two different mentalities were involved in the sculpt. That initial, almost friendly alien and then the creepy bug. A bit jarring. I should really go in there and toughen up his face so the upper part matches. I'd never thought to use a displacement map to recover detail on a mesh before. It worked out well. I'll have to remember that. __________________ Check out my 2D and 3D work at: http://teyon.cgsociety.org/gallery/

11-02-2009, 08:16 PM	#50
RogerKnightly scallywag Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cork, Ireland Posts: 2,171	give him an evil beard that'll sort him out __________________ Xeon Quad 2.5ghz 3GB Ram Quadro FX 570 XP Pro Wacom Intuos coffee.. lots of coffee

11-04-2009, 10:33 PM	#51
Teyon Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New York, New York Posts: 1,591	I would but then he'll drink all my booze. __________________ Check out my 2D and 3D work at: http://teyon.cgsociety.org/gallery/

11-05-2009, 07:29 AM	#52
jned thx1138 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Victoria, BC, Canada Posts: 78	Beautiful work Teyon. I saw Dasch's Q about the bats on the base. What sort of polygon count are you working with? I tried to get a similar effect in SIlo using an image loaded into a brush, but it's clear that my model needs much more resolution (sub-d levels) in order to get the definition anything close to what you've got, and Silo kept crashing on me. Specifically I'd like to be able to use the technique to add type/text elements to models, like what you did with the BANE logotype. Is something like that just in the realm of Z-brush? And... I think you mentioned the texture you've used for the model - can you remind me what that is and what rendering package you used? Thanks... Last edited by jned; 11-05-2009 at 09:00 PM.

11-06-2009, 09:11 PM	#53
Teyon Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New York, New York Posts: 1,591	Thanks! Well, while I made the base mesh in Silo for both the figure and the stand, I did the detailing in ZBrush. Silo can do it too but as you've learned, it will require some planning and a large amount of polys. Truth told, the best way would have been to create separate solid objects for the text that deformed around the base. That would have allowed the most detail at lower resolutions but Silo doesn't really have deformers (someone found a way around this if I recall) so it becomes challenging. Anyway, on to your question: The stand was 176 polys. I took it into ZBrush and subdivided 7 times to about 720,896 polys to get the bats and logo to show up neatly along with the cable thing running around it. Again, not the best way to handle the situation but it worked. The original sculpt for Bane was created in Silo and ZBrush using the Baseman with Shoes (roughly 926 polys) mesh that comes with it. It was later retopologized in Silo using (not counting his accessories) 2,684 polys, since all I wanted was the upper torso. He was subdivided 5 times in ZBrush to about 687,104 polys. Yes, the base was higher res and that alone should tell you it's not the best way to do it. The model was rendered in ZBrush using the Antique Bronze material on a model that was filled with a bluish-purple color. The light setup varied but usually it was just one light. So while on a sturdier system, with careful planning (grouping areas for example), I could have gotten Silo to make the base in a similar fashion to how I did it in ZBrush, it's not the best way. The best way - and I'll be doing this in the future - is warping polygonal text around the base. It makes capturing the detail easier for printing and means you don't need to use as many polys - plus you spend more time in Silo! Hope that answered your questions. __________________ Check out my 2D and 3D work at: http://teyon.cgsociety.org/gallery/ Last edited by Teyon; 11-08-2009 at 08:29 AM.

11-06-2009, 10:44 PM	#54
bobtronic Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Friedrichsdorf/Germany Posts: 897	man, you keep yourself busy nice sculpts! cheers, Matthias __________________ www.bobtronic.de

11-10-2009, 12:31 AM	#56
Teyon Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New York, New York Posts: 1,591	Glad to be of help. Here's something new. Not different but new. Really rushed and slightly messy base created in Silo: Sculpted in ZBrush. Total time about 6 hours. Two hours in Silo for base mesh creation and 4 hours sculpting in ZB. Have I mentioned how much I love the Silo-ZBrush combo. Fingers crossed for a GoZ plug-in. __________________ Check out my 2D and 3D work at: http://teyon.cgsociety.org/gallery/

11-11-2009, 09:39 PM	#57
jned thx1138 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Victoria, BC, Canada Posts: 78	I checked out the vid and your DeviantArt page. I think it's great that you and other talented artists take the time to post images and vids - they are wonderful resources. Not to mention answering all the questions. And thanks for noting the time it took you to create the latest model. I always wonder about that...

12-06-2009, 02:45 AM	#58
brook senile member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: planet x Posts: 1,804	lookin good teyon.

12-25-2009, 12:27 AM	#59
Teyon Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New York, New York Posts: 1,591	Thanks! Happy Holidays gang. __________________ Check out my 2D and 3D work at: http://teyon.cgsociety.org/gallery/

12-25-2009, 10:47 AM	#60
Sarford Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 172	Wow, Teyon, you are realy beginning to get a grip on monster designing, I love it! Keep em comming...