**NEW** WEEKLY MODELING SESSION: Week 007 Melty Head

southern · 04-20-2009, 06:13 PM

Ok, week Seven. Lot's going on with the `Boulder an Co` thread so I wanted to keep this one simple. This Guy is called melty head and as you can see he has some symmetry issues going on. It will be a great little test for head modeling skills with no mirroring turned on for a change.

However, when you have the core of this model done I want you to go one stage further and DEFORM THE HELL OUT OF HIM! He already has some issues as pointed out but you need to take his problems one stage further by altering and adding whatever you want to increase his deformity. Do it ALL in Silo without resorting to ZBrush or Mudbox. Go as high res as you can and add in tonnes of detail right there in Silo. Push the poly count as high as you can on this one.

COMMENTS:

Use instance mirror to block out the main parts then use soft selection to pull him into shape as needed. Start by placing the eyeballs. And veins ands boils as needed but do it all in Silo where possible.

Good luck and enjoy!

modelwright · 04-20-2009, 08:44 PM

i may not be taking part in this week but i can see on the right side of his head he has some bubbles or something that may be useful detail when people come to doing that side an chance of a view from their?

xbo · 04-21-2009, 02:28 PM

Hi southern,
just a newbie question.
Needs to be a copy from Mr. Melty? or its possible to create another head with many details. All done in Silo.

Cheers
XBO

southern · 04-21-2009, 08:03 PM

Hi XBO.

Great to see you joining in. Try and use the basic shape of Mr. Melty head. But feel free to go crazy with your modeling and just use the reference as a starting point. It all just for fun so anything goes really.

kaylon · 04-22-2009, 06:33 AM

I tried to have a quick doodle at this last night...but I have a huge prob...if I Sub-D more then 5 times the mesh goes to hell when I try and sculpt...the process actually start to delete swathes of poly's. This seems to be happening on anything I Sub-D over 5 times.

Not useally an issue as I only ever Sub-D 3 times nomrally so I can get a feel for form, I then do the details in MudBox..but on this topic I can't do that.

Has this issue effected anyone else?

southern · 04-22-2009, 07:18 AM

Not experienced it but I'll give it a go and try to get the same issue.

modelwright · 04-22-2009, 09:51 AM

kaylon i dint have your problem i went up to five SUB-D on a cube and everything was fine. the only thing i had was at about 10 SUB-D and silo couldnt take it no more. although is the picture attached your problem. circled by red you can see the poly i am sculpting on has disappeared and is now sculpting the poly behind.

this dint happen for long once i had let got and carried on they returned so i couldnt get a good look around. i also had a go on my trex and got the same problem :P

kaylon · 04-22-2009, 10:18 AM

Not quite what happens...faces simply vanish when I try and sculpt.

On my XP 64 machine here at work it seems fine but on my home Vista Machine it's deleting faces of the base bust mesh. Even undo does not fix it.

K

modelwright · 04-22-2009, 12:24 PM

my problem came at home on my xp 64 at college on vista 32 i dont seem to get any it just SLOWS down after 5 sub-d lvls :P

mseydel · 04-23-2009, 02:53 AM

I read this twice, and I think I'm not understanding the challenge. We make a head, relatively close to the pic above to use as a basemesh, then sculpt the crud out of it? Or is there a basemesh that Glen made that we use?

I opted for the former, and started pulling the base mesh into place. My edges are really rough at this point.

Then I starting sculpting- on the right is 3 sub-d levels.

southern · 04-23-2009, 06:05 AM

MS: I maybe wasn't clear and to be honest in hind sight it's not the greatest of challenges.

Make a head similar to the one above then deform it as you see fit. Just a bit of sculpting practice really. I'll come up with something cool for the next one.

Glen

spag3d · 04-23-2009, 05:39 PM

If you make a base mesh with a decent amount of poly's you can sculpt a ton of detail into it, it really helps if you sculpt on preexisting topology. Through my little tests with silo's sculpting I found it works best with just a couple ( 3 max ) of subdivisions. The slow downs have always been inevitable for me, sometimes a restart of silo or just hiding parts of the mesh seems to work.

Glen,
If I make a mid res base mesh and upload it so people can just sculpt away, would it still count? I can have one done late tonight ( Eastern Standard Time ).

mseydel · 04-23-2009, 07:19 PM

I think it's a good idea, even if it just exposes better working methods...like Spag3d's comments- I never tried refining the control mesh before starting to sculpt. I'll give that a shot- woops, tried it and I had slower results. The newer head is now at 4 sub=d levels. I've also posted a few small JPEgs that I use to make custom brushes for anyone who's interested. This isn't anything ground-breaking, but I find it helpful to use these rough alphas for sculpting...

spag3d · 04-24-2009, 01:49 PM

Great alphas Matt can't wait to try them out.
I have a base mesh done, but I don't want to upload it unless I get the go ahead from Glen or someone official because I am not sure if this is ok. Here is an image of it, did some test sculpting on this one and it worked out pretty well. I hope I can work on this session but I still need to finish up on the collaboration one.

dasch · 04-24-2009, 02:27 PM

Good work guys. Thanks for the brush examples Matt - and that IS a nice mesh, Spag3D.

spag3d · 04-30-2009, 06:37 PM

Now that this challenge is over I guess it is ok to upload the mesh so here it is. It's not the greatest mesh but I did it kind of quickly and it serves it's purpose. I have some lights in the scene and I turn on "use scene lights" and "lock lights to camera" for sculpting on this. Hope you guys like it.

David · 05-01-2009, 05:28 PM

Well done Mseydel. You've been selected as this weeks winner. Nice model also from spag3d.

04-20-2009, 06:13 PM	#1
southern Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: UK Posts: 365	NEW WEEKLY MODELING SESSION: Week 007 Melty Head Ok, week Seven. Lot's going on with the `Boulder an Co` thread so I wanted to keep this one simple. This Guy is called melty head and as you can see he has some symmetry issues going on. It will be a great little test for head modeling skills with no mirroring turned on for a change. However, when you have the core of this model done I want you to go one stage further and DEFORM THE HELL OUT OF HIM! He already has some issues as pointed out but you need to take his problems one stage further by altering and adding whatever you want to increase his deformity. Do it ALL in Silo without resorting to ZBrush or Mudbox. Go as high res as you can and add in tonnes of detail right there in Silo. Push the poly count as high as you can on this one. COMMENTS: Use instance mirror to block out the main parts then use soft selection to pull him into shape as needed. Start by placing the eyeballs. And veins ands boils as needed but do it all in Silo where possible. Good luck and enjoy! __________________ ________________________________ SouthernGFX Website http://www.southerngfx.co.uk Follow me on Twitter http://twitter.com/southerngfx SouthernGFX Blog http://southerngfxblog.blogspot.com

04-21-2009, 08:03 PM	#4
southern Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: UK Posts: 365	Hi XBO. Great to see you joining in. Try and use the basic shape of Mr. Melty head. But feel free to go crazy with your modeling and just use the reference as a starting point. It all just for fun so anything goes really. __________________ ________________________________ SouthernGFX Website http://www.southerngfx.co.uk Follow me on Twitter http://twitter.com/southerngfx SouthernGFX Blog http://southerngfxblog.blogspot.com

04-22-2009, 06:33 AM	#5
kaylon Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Dundee, UK Posts: 59	I tried to have a quick doodle at this last night...but I have a huge prob...if I Sub-D more then 5 times the mesh goes to hell when I try and sculpt...the process actually start to delete swathes of poly's. This seems to be happening on anything I Sub-D over 5 times. Not useally an issue as I only ever Sub-D 3 times nomrally so I can get a feel for form, I then do the details in MudBox..but on this topic I can't do that. Has this issue effected anyone else? __________________ nuke it from orbit...it's the only way to be sure... Skype: kaylon3D

04-22-2009, 07:18 AM	#6
southern Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: UK Posts: 365	Not experienced it but I'll give it a go and try to get the same issue. __________________ ________________________________ SouthernGFX Website http://www.southerngfx.co.uk Follow me on Twitter http://twitter.com/southerngfx SouthernGFX Blog http://southerngfxblog.blogspot.com

04-22-2009, 09:51 AM	#7
modelwright Nathan Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 53	kaylon i dint have your problem i went up to five SUB-D on a cube and everything was fine. the only thing i had was at about 10 SUB-D and silo couldnt take it no more. although is the picture attached your problem. circled by red you can see the poly i am sculpting on has disappeared and is now sculpting the poly behind. this dint happen for long once i had let got and carried on they returned so i couldnt get a good look around. i also had a go on my trex and got the same problem :P Attached Thumbnails Last edited by modelwright; 04-22-2009 at 10:00 AM.

04-20-2009, 08:44 PM	#2
modelwright Nathan Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 53	i may not be taking part in this week but i can see on the right side of his head he has some bubbles or something that may be useful detail when people come to doing that side an chance of a view from their?

04-21-2009, 02:28 PM	#3
xbo Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Munich Posts: 271	Hi southern, just a newbie question. Needs to be a copy from Mr. Melty? or its possible to create another head with many details. All done in Silo. Cheers XBO

04-22-2009, 10:18 AM	#8
kaylon Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Dundee, UK Posts: 59	Not quite what happens...faces simply vanish when I try and sculpt. On my XP 64 machine here at work it seems fine but on my home Vista Machine it's deleting faces of the base bust mesh. Even undo does not fix it. K __________________ nuke it from orbit...it's the only way to be sure... Skype: kaylon3D

04-22-2009, 12:24 PM	#9
modelwright Nathan Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 53	my problem came at home on my xp 64 at college on vista 32 i dont seem to get any it just SLOWS down after 5 sub-d lvls :P

04-23-2009, 02:53 AM	#10
mseydel Matt_Connors on Twitter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New York, NY Posts: 253	I read this twice, and I think I'm not understanding the challenge. We make a head, relatively close to the pic above to use as a basemesh, then sculpt the crud out of it? Or is there a basemesh that Glen made that we use? I opted for the former, and started pulling the base mesh into place. My edges are really rough at this point. Then I starting sculpting- on the right is 3 sub-d levels. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by mseydel; 04-23-2009 at 03:20 AM. Reason: additional image

04-23-2009, 06:05 AM	#11
southern Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: UK Posts: 365	MS: I maybe wasn't clear and to be honest in hind sight it's not the greatest of challenges. Make a head similar to the one above then deform it as you see fit. Just a bit of sculpting practice really. I'll come up with something cool for the next one. Glen __________________ ________________________________ SouthernGFX Website http://www.southerngfx.co.uk Follow me on Twitter http://twitter.com/southerngfx SouthernGFX Blog http://southerngfxblog.blogspot.com

04-23-2009, 05:39 PM	#12
spag3d Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 16	If you make a base mesh with a decent amount of poly's you can sculpt a ton of detail into it, it really helps if you sculpt on preexisting topology. Through my little tests with silo's sculpting I found it works best with just a couple ( 3 max ) of subdivisions. The slow downs have always been inevitable for me, sometimes a restart of silo or just hiding parts of the mesh seems to work. Glen, If I make a mid res base mesh and upload it so people can just sculpt away, would it still count? I can have one done late tonight ( Eastern Standard Time ).

04-23-2009, 07:19 PM	#13
mseydel Matt_Connors on Twitter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New York, NY Posts: 253	I think it's a good idea, even if it just exposes better working methods...like Spag3d's comments- I never tried refining the control mesh before starting to sculpt. I'll give that a shot- woops, tried it and I had slower results. The newer head is now at 4 sub=d levels. I've also posted a few small JPEgs that I use to make custom brushes for anyone who's interested. This isn't anything ground-breaking, but I find it helpful to use these rough alphas for sculpting... Attached Thumbnails Last edited by mseydel; 04-24-2009 at 02:16 AM. Reason: image attached

04-24-2009, 01:49 PM	#14
spag3d Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 16	Great alphas Matt can't wait to try them out. I have a base mesh done, but I don't want to upload it unless I get the go ahead from Glen or someone official because I am not sure if this is ok. Here is an image of it, did some test sculpting on this one and it worked out pretty well. I hope I can work on this session but I still need to finish up on the collaboration one. Attached Thumbnails

04-24-2009, 02:27 PM	#15
dasch 3D-ish Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: British Columbia Posts: 1,416	Good work guys. Thanks for the brush examples Matt - and that IS a nice mesh, Spag3D. __________________ dasch DaschStudio.com Dasch's StrataCafe Gallery Dasch's VectorArt3D Models

05-01-2009, 05:28 PM	#17
David Nevercenter Marketing Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 158	Selection: Mseydel Well done Mseydel. You've been selected as this weeks winner. Nice model also from spag3d.