**NEW** WEEKLY MODELING SESSIONS: WEEK 002 : Those Blasted Aliens

southern · 03-15-2009, 12:05 PM

Ok, week two. Another alien creature but a very different approach this week. We want to focus on creating a toon like Alien along the lines of Ben 10. Teyon Alexander (All round top dude!) had provided a turnaround of an alien he showed me in a line up. If this one goes down well I'll see if he can let us see (and model) the whole line up.

COMMENTS:

This should not be too hard to model for most modelers out there but it will be a great great start for anyone new. If you are lurking and want to start modeling, join us! You will be looked after I promise.

However, those with more skills should focus on great edge loops and getting a really dynamic pose done with the final model. Go for the `toy look` in your modeling, some crisp edges even though this is organic.If you feel inclined put him on a stand and place him in a small scene, maybe with a weapon, maybe in a tree, who knows. Knock yourselves out.

Good luck and enjoy!

Kyro · 03-15-2009, 12:16 PM

sweeeet, this will be a fun one, count me in (after cavedweller is done...tonight i hope hehe)

thx for the cool refs Teyon

and everyone that will join this weeks session will get a piece of Glen's armpit hair as a reward for participating.

mseydel · 03-15-2009, 04:21 PM

this is a fun one! thanks, guys- you got me out of a bit of a funk! those eyes are pretty far back on the head, and are those nostrils on his forehead?

Kyro · 03-15-2009, 07:29 PM

Hi mseydel, cool to see someone started this already. you made some great progress there. the char looks simple but i think the head part is tricky. eyes are idd far back and nose on forhead.
looking forward to see your next posts.. gl

Anchuvi · 03-16-2009, 04:12 PM

These are great...I can`t wait to have some time free so I can join in

Nice work so far mseydel!

lovisx · 03-16-2009, 08:18 PM

I want to join in too. Maybe this week.

mseydel · 03-16-2009, 11:53 PM

thanks for the feedback so far; the head is harder than it looks...I may do a few variants. Built the hands and edited the feet, and starting to put more structure into the figure. He's definitely looking too happy the way I made him; I ned to put some menace back in there...

Kyro · 03-16-2009, 11:54 PM

hey guys,
started tonight on the alien, here's where i am so far.
i know i already have alot of detail in the head, but just wanted to focus on it cause it's not my strong point. i always struggle with heads.
c&c most welcome
Ky

arkanis · 03-17-2009, 10:53 AM

Good work in there guys !

I don't know if I will have time to finish this session since I'm hell out busy at work on other projects, but WHAT THE HECK, I'M IN !

Will post my startup on this later on...

Take care

Kyro · 03-17-2009, 11:50 AM

HA! That's 2 for Belgium

good to see more and more ppl starting to join the sessions.
this will be fun!

mseydel · 03-17-2009, 05:03 PM

Kyro,

I like the way your alien is coming along- it's clear that you're having fun with it! I don't think you have too much detail in the head, especially if you start to give some of the other areas a similar amount of detail. I have a few minor updates on my guy, but I'll hold off until I have a better resolution of the head...

Kyro · 03-17-2009, 11:20 PM

hey guys, day 2 of week 2 with update 2 hehe
started to add more detail in the body today, hardly touched the head (phew). also cleaned up all the tri's and N-gons. polycount now is 2754. and 100% quads. i thought about something this night tho. i modeled the clothlike belt already but don't see a good way to make the edges so that the cut of the sleeve will look nice and round. so i thought i'd make it seperate. but then i think i should make the xloth belt also seperate not? any of you have any idea? or do i just leave him with no chest clothing? i like this look too tbh, but don't know if it's ok to do this.
Thought of a concept/them for this char too, but more about that tomorrow when i worked it out a bit more

Anyway, here's the update... happy modeling all

Ky

Kyro · 03-17-2009, 11:21 PM

argh!! and why do my images look a bit blurred?? anyone got an idea about that?

Kyro · 03-17-2009, 11:40 PM

got a smoothed version here for fun...
still needs some work at the base of the fingers

mseydel · 03-18-2009, 04:23 AM

whoah- we're counting polys and in the quads-only club? I'm gonna have to sharpen up a bit. Fantastic work, Kyro! Been focusing on just cutting loops where I think they would belong, then repairing the mesh by spinning edges or creating more cuts. Some unresolved n-gons that I need to deal with, but the form is improving overall. Crits welcome on the revised head; I think it makes more sense. My alien needs to hit the gym; he's looking a bit too scrawny...

Kyro · 03-18-2009, 10:29 AM

Hey mseydel, thx for the comments.
Your model is comming along nicely indeed. head looks alot better tho it looks a bit strange to me at the eyes. think you got an edgeloop problem there wich makes you lose volume in that area and make it look like the eye socket is not closed. I had my struggle with this head too tbh, but after 5 attempts and some good old internet research i came up with this loop that helped me alot to preserve volume and flow in that area.

Also in the body there's something strange where the chest and shoulder are connected. it's like it's missing a muscle there. try to get a flow of faces that runs from the chest into the arm. this way the chest will not get 'cut' so much from the shoulder and arm, making him look wider and stronger build. it will also help to get a nice loop around the shoulder itself and to build in the upper arm muscles.
hope this helps..

Ky

mseydel · 03-18-2009, 02:11 PM

Thanks for the crits, Kyro. The eye loop is obscured by the eye, which I have a bit out of place. Here's a better view of the loops involved. In the face and elsewhere, I'm trying to take advantage of poles to give the figure a more 'sculpted toy' look, and create more creasing and hard edges without having to resort to sculpting in these details. I'm trying to hold off on sculpting until I'm satisfied with the mesh. I appreciate your way of handling the shoulder, but based on the reference drawing, I made a deliberate distinction between chest and shoulder in a very 'inhuman' way. Though I will concede that your solution has an elegance that mine lacks.

sorry for digging this up for those of you that have seen this a thousand times, but an interesting discussion on poles and flow can be found here:
http://www.subdivisionmodeling.com/f...read.php?t=907

Kyro · 03-18-2009, 03:02 PM

hey mseydel,
didn't know you'd go for another look. think it's a cool idea to make that toy look. i don't have experience with that tbh. i'll try to go for the more cartoony look.
i'm still learning alot of edgeloops and poly flow, that link you gave sure looks interesting. bit complicated at first..but interesting

vader_dk · 03-19-2009, 11:37 AM

Hey just had some time - this is mine so far still need some stuff to be done

WIP

hopefull - i can finish him today or tomorrow

/cheers

Kyro · 03-19-2009, 11:47 AM

hey vader_dk, nice to see you joining the session, you started of well there. hope you can get him finished too

GL

03-15-2009, 12:05 PM	#1
southern Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: UK Posts: 365	NEW WEEKLY MODELING SESSIONS: WEEK 002 : Those Blasted Aliens Ok, week two. Another alien creature but a very different approach this week. We want to focus on creating a toon like Alien along the lines of Ben 10. Teyon Alexander (All round top dude!) had provided a turnaround of an alien he showed me in a line up. If this one goes down well I'll see if he can let us see (and model) the whole line up. COMMENTS: This should not be too hard to model for most modelers out there but it will be a great great start for anyone new. If you are lurking and want to start modeling, join us! You will be looked after I promise. However, those with more skills should focus on great edge loops and getting a really dynamic pose done with the final model. Go for the `toy look` in your modeling, some crisp edges even though this is organic.If you feel inclined put him on a stand and place him in a small scene, maybe with a weapon, maybe in a tree, who knows. Knock yourselves out. Good luck and enjoy! __________________ ________________________________ SouthernGFX Website http://www.southerngfx.co.uk Follow me on Twitter http://twitter.com/southerngfx SouthernGFX Blog http://southerngfxblog.blogspot.com

03-15-2009, 04:21 PM	#3
mseydel Matt_Connors on Twitter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New York, NY Posts: 253	this is a fun one! thanks, guys- you got me out of a bit of a funk! those eyes are pretty far back on the head, and are those nostrils on his forehead? Attached Thumbnails Last edited by mseydel; 03-15-2009 at 05:09 PM.

03-16-2009, 04:12 PM	#5
Anchuvi Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Leeds, UK Posts: 131	These are great...I can`t wait to have some time free so I can join in Nice work so far mseydel! __________________ ~ Homepage ~ ~ Twitter ~ ~ Facebook ~

03-16-2009, 08:18 PM	#6
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03-16-2009, 11:53 PM	#7
mseydel Matt_Connors on Twitter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New York, NY Posts: 253	thanks for the feedback so far; the head is harder than it looks...I may do a few variants. Built the hands and edited the feet, and starting to put more structure into the figure. He's definitely looking too happy the way I made him; I ned to put some menace back in there... Attached Thumbnails

03-15-2009, 12:16 PM	#2
Kyro Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Belgium Posts: 128	sweeeet, this will be a fun one, count me in (after cavedweller is done...tonight i hope hehe) thx for the cool refs Teyon and everyone that will join this weeks session will get a piece of Glen's armpit hair as a reward for participating.

03-15-2009, 07:29 PM	#4
Kyro Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Belgium Posts: 128	Hi mseydel, cool to see someone started this already. you made some great progress there. the char looks simple but i think the head part is tricky. eyes are idd far back and nose on forhead. looking forward to see your next posts.. gl

03-16-2009, 11:54 PM	#8
Kyro Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Belgium Posts: 128	hey guys, started tonight on the alien, here's where i am so far. i know i already have alot of detail in the head, but just wanted to focus on it cause it's not my strong point. i always struggle with heads. c&c most welcome Ky

03-17-2009, 10:53 AM	#9
arkanis Nodal Minded Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Belgium Posts: 143	Hey ! Good work in there guys ! I don't know if I will have time to finish this session since I'm hell out busy at work on other projects, but WHAT THE HECK, I'M IN ! Will post my startup on this later on... Take care __________________ If you don't succed the first time, erase any proof of it. Agustin Eguia 2D/3D Artist. Editing/Compositing

03-17-2009, 11:50 AM	#10
Kyro Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Belgium Posts: 128	HA! That's 2 for Belgium good to see more and more ppl starting to join the sessions. this will be fun!

03-17-2009, 05:03 PM	#11
mseydel Matt_Connors on Twitter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New York, NY Posts: 253	Kyro, I like the way your alien is coming along- it's clear that you're having fun with it! I don't think you have too much detail in the head, especially if you start to give some of the other areas a similar amount of detail. I have a few minor updates on my guy, but I'll hold off until I have a better resolution of the head...

03-17-2009, 11:20 PM	#12
Kyro Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Belgium Posts: 128	hey guys, day 2 of week 2 with update 2 hehe started to add more detail in the body today, hardly touched the head (phew). also cleaned up all the tri's and N-gons. polycount now is 2754. and 100% quads. i thought about something this night tho. i modeled the clothlike belt already but don't see a good way to make the edges so that the cut of the sleeve will look nice and round. so i thought i'd make it seperate. but then i think i should make the xloth belt also seperate not? any of you have any idea? or do i just leave him with no chest clothing? i like this look too tbh, but don't know if it's ok to do this. Thought of a concept/them for this char too, but more about that tomorrow when i worked it out a bit more Anyway, here's the update... happy modeling all Ky

03-17-2009, 11:21 PM	#13
Kyro Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Belgium Posts: 128	argh!! and why do my images look a bit blurred?? anyone got an idea about that?

03-17-2009, 11:40 PM	#14
Kyro Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Belgium Posts: 128	got a smoothed version here for fun... still needs some work at the base of the fingers

03-18-2009, 04:23 AM	#15
mseydel Matt_Connors on Twitter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New York, NY Posts: 253	whoah- we're counting polys and in the quads-only club? I'm gonna have to sharpen up a bit. Fantastic work, Kyro! Been focusing on just cutting loops where I think they would belong, then repairing the mesh by spinning edges or creating more cuts. Some unresolved n-gons that I need to deal with, but the form is improving overall. Crits welcome on the revised head; I think it makes more sense. My alien needs to hit the gym; he's looking a bit too scrawny... Attached Thumbnails

03-18-2009, 10:29 AM	#16
Kyro Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Belgium Posts: 128	Hey mseydel, thx for the comments. Your model is comming along nicely indeed. head looks alot better tho it looks a bit strange to me at the eyes. think you got an edgeloop problem there wich makes you lose volume in that area and make it look like the eye socket is not closed. I had my struggle with this head too tbh, but after 5 attempts and some good old internet research i came up with this loop that helped me alot to preserve volume and flow in that area. Also in the body there's something strange where the chest and shoulder are connected. it's like it's missing a muscle there. try to get a flow of faces that runs from the chest into the arm. this way the chest will not get 'cut' so much from the shoulder and arm, making him look wider and stronger build. it will also help to get a nice loop around the shoulder itself and to build in the upper arm muscles. hope this helps.. Ky Attached Thumbnails

03-18-2009, 02:11 PM	#17
mseydel Matt_Connors on Twitter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New York, NY Posts: 253	Thanks for the crits, Kyro. The eye loop is obscured by the eye, which I have a bit out of place. Here's a better view of the loops involved. In the face and elsewhere, I'm trying to take advantage of poles to give the figure a more 'sculpted toy' look, and create more creasing and hard edges without having to resort to sculpting in these details. I'm trying to hold off on sculpting until I'm satisfied with the mesh. I appreciate your way of handling the shoulder, but based on the reference drawing, I made a deliberate distinction between chest and shoulder in a very 'inhuman' way. Though I will concede that your solution has an elegance that mine lacks. sorry for digging this up for those of you that have seen this a thousand times, but an interesting discussion on poles and flow can be found here: http://www.subdivisionmodeling.com/f...read.php?t=907 Attached Thumbnails

03-18-2009, 03:02 PM	#18
Kyro Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Belgium Posts: 128	hey mseydel, didn't know you'd go for another look. think it's a cool idea to make that toy look. i don't have experience with that tbh. i'll try to go for the more cartoony look. i'm still learning alot of edgeloops and poly flow, that link you gave sure looks interesting. bit complicated at first..but interesting

03-19-2009, 11:37 AM	#19
vader_dk 3d artist etc. Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: denmark Posts: 110	Hey just had some time - this is mine so far still need some stuff to be done WIP hopefull - i can finish him today or tomorrow /cheers

03-19-2009, 11:47 AM	#20
Kyro Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Belgium Posts: 128	hey vader_dk, nice to see you joining the session, you started of well there. hope you can get him finished too GL