Rhino head sculpt.

southern · 05-23-2009, 09:52 AM

Hi all,

I've just uploaded an online tutorial showing how I made a Silo 3D Rhino head as a concept test before sculpting in real clay. I am currently doing the ZBrush tutorial part and then I will post the Clay sculpting portion.

http://www.southerngfx.co.uk/general...silo_rhino.php

MarkInTx · 05-23-2009, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by southern

Hi all,

I've just uploaded an online tutorial showing how I made a Silo 3D Rhino head as a concept test before sculpting in real clay. I am currently doing the ZBrush tutorial part and then I will post the Clay sculpting portion.

Awww.. shucks... when I first saw this, I was hoping you were doing a tutorial on sculpting in SILO -- which is something dearly missing from the list of tuts.

Of course, I am sure the Rhino head tutorial is great... I just keep waiting for someone to do a quality "Sculpting in Silo" tutorial... though I think I know why that doesn't exist...

3DArtZ · 05-23-2009, 02:52 PM

Couldnt this whole project have been done in silo?
just curious.
nice model!

Mike Fitz

southern · 05-23-2009, 04:01 PM

To be honest it wasn't going to be 3D at all. I did my recent Kong sculpt (see below) with real water based clay and made a load of newbie cock ups. Too thick in places, letting it dry at different rates, making it just too damn heavy etc. I decided on doing a Rhino head in clay as a second attempt (I had 50Kg of Clay to get rid of after a stupid order I placed! Doh!) This quick Rhino head was little more than a way to flesh out my concept a little. Arse-about-face I know but it's how I work sometimes. I simply screen-shot what I was modeling for half an hour and then wrote the text. The ZBrush part including rendering was a little over 15 mins so this is not an elaboate model or tutorial.

I agree about the need for a Silo Sculpting tutorial and some good examples. It's hard for me as I've been a ZBrush user since the begining (late 1990's) and I find it so damn convienient to sculpt with. ZBrush for Sculpting (for me) is what Silo is for core polygon work. I love it because I can make it do what I want quickly. Say that on a mudbox forum and I'd be hanging by now..lol.

I'll take a look into the Silo sculpting thing. Maybe talk to Dave and see what we can come up with.

Kong sculpt blog post
http://southerngfxblog.blogspot.com/...ased-clay.html

MarkInTx · 05-23-2009, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by southern

I'll take a look into the Silo sculpting thing. Maybe talk to Dave and see what we can come up with.

It would be very cool. Looking forward to this tut as well...

Thanks!

brook · 05-24-2009, 09:56 AM

looks good glen. one thing that caught my eye is the base of the horn is just about straight horizontal. which looks a little unnatural. looks better in the sketch. there is a little more breakup in the sketch also. all around solid stuff tho.

southern · 05-24-2009, 04:27 PM

Cheers guys. Not happy with the final look at all. It just show that the best creature models are the ones that stick as close to nature as possible. I'm going to rebuild the head and stick to an exact Rhino profile I think. THIs is why I do it digitally first. So annoying if you feel like this and it's done in clay...

as the saying goes `you can't polish a turd`.

southern · 05-27-2009, 03:14 PM

A friend asked about how I create the edge loop around the mouth. Here's a little silent vid to show how.

http://southerngfxblog.blogspot.com/...und-mouth.html

Follow my blog for future Silo training and video news.

robinb · 05-27-2009, 06:39 PM

This post reminded me that I'd done a Rhino sculpt ages ago and forgot to ever post it.

It's now on my blog

http://robsadventuresinsculpting.blo.../05/rhino.html

The base mesh was done in Silo but it was sculpted elsewhere.

So thanks for reminding me about that Glen.

And good luck with the clay sculpture.

David · 05-28-2009, 01:05 AM

Great tut Glen, thanks for sharing. And thanks for the sculpting tut suggestion MarkInTx. I recognize it's an area that been missing, and it's something I've been thinking about. I'll see if I can get some wheels turning.

Thanks,
David

southern · 05-28-2009, 07:26 AM

Robinb. Fantastic model. It look very close to a real Rhino. very impressive mesh.

robinb · 05-28-2009, 10:14 AM

Thanks Glen.

It was based on a set of images from www.3d.sk. One of the things I liked about that rhino was that his horns have a kind of triangular cross section with a flat front. Not sure if that's a common shape for them but I thought it was a really cool feature.

I've posted a screengrab of the base mesh. Made in Silo, naturally.

http://robsadventuresinsculpting.blo...sculpt-in.html

It's modelled in a pretty similar way to yours. Except I use Symmetry rather than instance mirroring. You get a better smoothing across the seam that way.

This model has a bit of a history. It was one I thought I'd lost to a Silo bug in the beta days when it wouldn't reload the model, but the bug got fixed and I could load the model up again.

Then it went in and out of Mudbox and Zbrush while I was deciding which to buy. So some of it was sculpted in each. I didn't have a PC capable of subdividing the model to this level for a long time so it sat around in a sculpted but not detailed stage (which is when it went onto my web page). Then I finally got a decent PC and it got finished off. And then I forgot to post it on the website.

_S9_ · 05-28-2009, 05:00 PM

Great work as usual Glen, especially like your creature sketches, keep it up.

_S9_

dannepop · 05-29-2009, 07:02 AM

Now when we got the Decimation Master for ZBrush it´s possible to render this in any 3D app!
Great work Southern!
I would do the same workflow, Silo - UV in renderapp(Maya - ZBrush - Renderapp (Maya)

Danne

Grapix · 05-30-2009, 06:41 AM

Great work and nice UI you got there :-)

astearon · 06-04-2009, 08:15 PM

I like how the skulpt turned up.
I got one reqest though ... can u upload your silo theme ? I like it verry much

grahamshere · 06-06-2009, 05:00 AM

as the saying goes `you can't polish a turd`.[/quote]

Actually Glen I was watching a show called myth busters and they did in fact polish a turd, I don't remember for which animals. and thanks for the tut, looks awesome. Graham

Sakar · 06-06-2009, 05:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by astearon

I like how the skulpt turned up.
I got one reqest though ... can u upload your silo theme ? I like it verry much

http://www.nevercenter.com/wiki/inde...=Button_Themes

It's the second one down.

junffy · 06-13-2009, 05:25 AM

dparks · 06-25-2009, 07:01 PM

Nice sculpt!!!

05-23-2009, 09:52 AM	#1
southern Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: UK Posts: 365	Rhino head sculpt. Hi all, I've just uploaded an online tutorial showing how I made a Silo 3D Rhino head as a concept test before sculpting in real clay. I am currently doing the ZBrush tutorial part and then I will post the Clay sculpting portion. http://www.southerngfx.co.uk/general...silo_rhino.php __________________ ________________________________ SouthernGFX Website http://www.southerngfx.co.uk Follow me on Twitter http://twitter.com/southerngfx SouthernGFX Blog http://southerngfxblog.blogspot.com Last edited by southern; 05-23-2009 at 09:54 AM.

05-23-2009, 02:52 PM	#3
3DArtZ Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: New York Posts: 83	Couldnt this whole project have been done in silo? just curious. nice model! Mike Fitz __________________ www.3dartz.com Cogs Joint CD for Animation:Master

05-23-2009, 04:01 PM	#4
southern Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: UK Posts: 365	To be honest it wasn't going to be 3D at all. I did my recent Kong sculpt (see below) with real water based clay and made a load of newbie cock ups. Too thick in places, letting it dry at different rates, making it just too damn heavy etc. I decided on doing a Rhino head in clay as a second attempt (I had 50Kg of Clay to get rid of after a stupid order I placed! Doh!) This quick Rhino head was little more than a way to flesh out my concept a little. Arse-about-face I know but it's how I work sometimes. I simply screen-shot what I was modeling for half an hour and then wrote the text. The ZBrush part including rendering was a little over 15 mins so this is not an elaboate model or tutorial. I agree about the need for a Silo Sculpting tutorial and some good examples. It's hard for me as I've been a ZBrush user since the begining (late 1990's) and I find it so damn convienient to sculpt with. ZBrush for Sculpting (for me) is what Silo is for core polygon work. I love it because I can make it do what I want quickly. Say that on a mudbox forum and I'd be hanging by now..lol. I'll take a look into the Silo sculpting thing. Maybe talk to Dave and see what we can come up with. Kong sculpt blog post http://southerngfxblog.blogspot.com/...ased-clay.html __________________ ________________________________ SouthernGFX Website http://www.southerngfx.co.uk Follow me on Twitter http://twitter.com/southerngfx SouthernGFX Blog http://southerngfxblog.blogspot.com

05-24-2009, 04:27 PM	#7
southern Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: UK Posts: 365	Cheers guys. Not happy with the final look at all. It just show that the best creature models are the ones that stick as close to nature as possible. I'm going to rebuild the head and stick to an exact Rhino profile I think. THIs is why I do it digitally first. So annoying if you feel like this and it's done in clay... as the saying goes `you can't polish a turd`. __________________ ________________________________ SouthernGFX Website http://www.southerngfx.co.uk Follow me on Twitter http://twitter.com/southerngfx SouthernGFX Blog http://southerngfxblog.blogspot.com

05-27-2009, 03:14 PM	#8
southern Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: UK Posts: 365	A friend asked about how I create the edge loop around the mouth. Here's a little silent vid to show how. http://southerngfxblog.blogspot.com/...und-mouth.html Follow my blog for future Silo training and video news. __________________ ________________________________ SouthernGFX Website http://www.southerngfx.co.uk Follow me on Twitter http://twitter.com/southerngfx SouthernGFX Blog http://southerngfxblog.blogspot.com

05-24-2009, 09:56 AM	#6
brook senile member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: planet x Posts: 1,804	looks good glen. one thing that caught my eye is the base of the horn is just about straight horizontal. which looks a little unnatural. looks better in the sketch. there is a little more breakup in the sketch also. all around solid stuff tho.

05-27-2009, 06:39 PM	#9
robinb Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 72	This post reminded me that I'd done a Rhino sculpt ages ago and forgot to ever post it. It's now on my blog http://robsadventuresinsculpting.blo.../05/rhino.html The base mesh was done in Silo but it was sculpted elsewhere. So thanks for reminding me about that Glen. And good luck with the clay sculpture.

05-28-2009, 01:05 AM	#10
David Nevercenter Marketing Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 158	Great tut Glen, thanks for sharing. And thanks for the sculpting tut suggestion MarkInTx. I recognize it's an area that been missing, and it's something I've been thinking about. I'll see if I can get some wheels turning. Thanks, David

05-28-2009, 07:26 AM	#11
southern Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: UK Posts: 365	Robinb. Fantastic model. It look very close to a real Rhino. very impressive mesh. __________________ ________________________________ SouthernGFX Website http://www.southerngfx.co.uk Follow me on Twitter http://twitter.com/southerngfx SouthernGFX Blog http://southerngfxblog.blogspot.com

05-28-2009, 10:14 AM	#12
robinb Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 72	Thanks Glen. It was based on a set of images from www.3d.sk. One of the things I liked about that rhino was that his horns have a kind of triangular cross section with a flat front. Not sure if that's a common shape for them but I thought it was a really cool feature. I've posted a screengrab of the base mesh. Made in Silo, naturally. http://robsadventuresinsculpting.blo...sculpt-in.html It's modelled in a pretty similar way to yours. Except I use Symmetry rather than instance mirroring. You get a better smoothing across the seam that way. This model has a bit of a history. It was one I thought I'd lost to a Silo bug in the beta days when it wouldn't reload the model, but the bug got fixed and I could load the model up again. Then it went in and out of Mudbox and Zbrush while I was deciding which to buy. So some of it was sculpted in each. I didn't have a PC capable of subdividing the model to this level for a long time so it sat around in a sculpted but not detailed stage (which is when it went onto my web page). Then I finally got a decent PC and it got finished off. And then I forgot to post it on the website.

05-28-2009, 05:00 PM	#13
_S9_ Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: The Netherlands, Amsterdam Posts: 243	Great work as usual Glen, especially like your creature sketches, keep it up. _S9_

05-29-2009, 07:02 AM	#14
dannepop Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 170	Now when we got the Decimation Master for ZBrush it´s possible to render this in any 3D app! Great work Southern! I would do the same workflow, Silo - UV in renderapp(Maya - ZBrush - Renderapp (Maya) Danne __________________ Danne Mac Book Pro 2.16 Gig "The problem with knowing what we want is we just might get it."

05-30-2009, 06:41 AM	#15
Grapix Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 62	Great work and nice UI you got there :-)

06-04-2009, 08:15 PM	#16
astearon Junior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 6	nice, verry good looking I like how the skulpt turned up. I got one reqest though ... can u upload your silo theme ? I like it verry much

06-06-2009, 05:00 AM	#17
grahamshere Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 41	as the saying goes `you can't polish a turd`.[/quote] Actually Glen I was watching a show called myth busters and they did in fact polish a turd, I don't remember for which animals. and thanks for the tut, looks awesome. Graham

06-13-2009, 05:25 AM	#19
junffy Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1

06-25-2009, 07:01 PM	#20
dparks Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1	Nice sculpt!!! Last edited by dparks; 06-25-2009 at 07:05 PM.